Until today. Here's Jan Moir:
Why there was nothing 'natural' about Stephen Gately's death
...except that he died of natural causes, you mean? Jan, though, has recognised her tardiness in sticking the boot into the fresh corpse of Gateley; she's now doing it in advance to other celebrities who might die soon:
Robbie, Amy, Kate, Whitney, Britney; we all know who they are. And we are not being ghoulish to anticipate, or to be mentally braced for, their bad end: a long night, a mysterious stranger, an odd set of circumstances that herald a sudden death.
No, it's not ghoulish at all to expect someone else's death, Jan. You tell yourself that. You cackling witch.
A founder member of Ireland's first boy band, he was the group's co-lead singer, even though he could barely carry a tune in a Louis Vuitton trunk.
He was the Posh Spice of Boyzone, a popular but largely decorous addition.
Keep going, Jan, I don't think you've been unpleasant enough yet. How about turning into Quincy and deciding you know better than the coroner?
Even before the post-mortem and toxicology reports were released by the Spanish authorities, the Gatelys' lawyer reiterated that they believed his sudden death was due to natural causes.
But, hang on a minute. Something is terribly wrong with the way this incident has been shaped and spun into nothing more than an unfortunate mishap on a holiday weekend, like a broken teacup in the rented cottage.
What killed him then, Jan? Being gay?
Whatever the cause of death is, it is not, by any yardstick, a natural one. Let us be absolutely clear about this. All that has been established so far is that Stephen Gately was not murdered.
Er, no, dying from fluid on the lungs is natural and unfortunately does happen to people with congenital heart conditions. It's rare, but it does happen all the time - just not to celebrities. That's probably why Moir doesn't know.
After a night of clubbing, Cowles and Gately took a young Bulgarian man back to their apartment. It is not disrespectful to assume that a game of canasta with 25-year-old Georgi Dochev was not what was on the cards.
Ah, I see. Yes, they were gay, therefore they obviously had sex with him. If that's what you think, Jan, don't be shy. If all gay people are by their very nature promiscuous then just pop up and say it, Jan. No-one will think the less of you. Because no-one could think any less of you.
Gately's family have always maintained that drugs were not involved in the singer's death, but it has just been revealed that he at least smoked cannabis on the night he died.
Nevertheless, his mother is still insisting that her son died from a previously undetected heart condition that has plagued the family.
BECAUSE HE DID, YOU FLAMING FUCKWIT. Tell you what, you do a few years of medical training, order a second postmortem, you carve up the corpse, then you come out with your half-baked "one spliff killed him" bullshit. Otherwise, maybe the people who do it for a living know that they might be talking about...?
For Jan, though, it's not about the one spliff which killed Gately. It's the fact he was gay.
Gay activists are always calling for tolerance and understanding about same-sex relationships, arguing that they are just the same as heterosexual marriages. Not everyone, they say, is like George Michael.
Of course, in many cases this may be true. Yet the recent death of Kevin McGee, the former husband of Little Britain star Matt Lucas, and now the dubious events of Gately's last night raise troubling questions about what happened.
What the fuck do you mean by that? Kevin McGee killed himself after battling with drug addiction - it wasn't anything to do with his civil partnership as that had long since broken up. Is Jan Moir really trying to link drug use with being gay? Or saying that civil partnerships will lead to death? Or what is she trying to do?
Whatever it is, it's more seedy and disgusting than what she claims is to blame for Stephen Gately's death. Someone as decent and ordinary as Gately dies, yet Jan Moir lives. It's just not fair.
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A deplorable piece full of speculation and innuendo, I mean bullshit. At least the majority of the commenters disagree with every word, which is unusual for Fail readers.
Nah what the wicked witch is trying to say is that being gay is more likely to make you die because being a gayer is wrong sordid and yucky. If god forbid Stephen Fry was to be killed in a traffic accident, ghouls like her would still find a way of blaming the accident on his sexuality.
Thank you SO much for this! I was too angry to articulate it, I've just been muffling my screams of impotent rage...
Why would someone write something like this? It's vile.
She may come to regret this article.
Nice work. I'm impressed you could find the words to disect the article. I was so astonished that words failed me. That was low, even for the Daily Fail :-(
Great post. Well said.
She is a vile woman, excellent destruction of her vile little piece! Well done I feel better having read this ha ha
Hear hear!! The only thing you didn't uncover from that article is why anyone still reads a newspaper that publishes this sort of rubbish.
Some good points, though I do have to question one...
"It is not disrespectful to assume that a game of canasta with 25-year-old Georgi Dochev was not what was on the cards."
"Ah, I see. Yes, they were gay, therefore they obviously had sex with him. If that's what you think, Jan, don't be shy."
So you honestly think they took someone back to their place in the small hours after partying for innocent reasons?
And its nothing to do with being gay, if it was a straight couple and they took someone in for the night I would assume it was for some sexy time.
Ugh!
What a horrible piece of vile, although sadly unsurprising from the newspaper that also serves up plenty of homophobia from Littlejohn and Phillips regularly.
I'm definately going to complain, although what good it will do given that the PCC is totally inneffective and far from independent (especially when Dacre is on its board). :(
Surely she can't ACTUALLY think these things...can she?
Horrendous, horrible, disgusting witch.
Well hopefully she didn't add a tear on the tale end of all that jibberish to try and validate her points like Glen Beck...
"So you honestly think they took someone back to their place in the small hours after partying for innocent reasons?
And its nothing to do with being gay, if it was a straight couple and they took someone in for the night I would assume it was for some sexy time."
Would you? Perhaps I'm being naive, but I'd assume nothing of the sort. When I was single, occasionally I would stay over at the houses of couple-friends of mine after a night out, and never did any sex take place (well, not that included me, anyway!)
Not that it matters. What they did or didn't do with their friend behind the closed doors of their holiday home is of absolutely no relevance to Gately's death - and Moir's muck-raking innuendo doesn't change that.
Brilliant, well said.
Oh God. Even here, one of your commenters is speculating about whether or not they brought the other bloke back to their flat for sex. Who fucking cares?? The point is that it's completely, utterly irrelevant, has nothing to do with his cause of death, and we're only discussing it because that twisted fucking witch Moir has brought it up. So what if they had sex with him? I couldn't care less! The point is that Moir instantly assumes (a) that they did, and (b) that therefore this has some bearing on Gately dying of the gay plague known as fluid on the lungs.
Tabloid journalists like to presume that there's 'no smoke without fire'. When, however, there's no smoke either, the dictum can just as easily be reversed - no fire without smoke - that is, no story without a bit of sneering, sick, uninformed innuendo.
It's just column inches, she doesn't even care herself. She just hates gay people and knows that many of her readers do too.
Many years ago the Daily Mail published a personalised racist attack against my mother. This article is even more offensive to me than that one was: at least my mother was able to ring up the Daily Mail and say 'who cares what bloody colour I am?'. Gately's family have to watch as he's attacked by the same paper, knowing that he can't defend himself. Disgusting, cowardly and wrong.
Famemonkey, believe it or not, it does happen. People go back to other peoples houses all the time without the intent of sex.
But does it matter?
Gately wasn't murdered, he didn't die in a freak accident, sex related or not. If they did have a threesome, it probably has less to do with his death than the spliff.
Excellent post, you've managed to say what most people felt about this hideous article. I'm amazed that it doesn't fall foul of the law to be honest....(it is certainly foul)
to famemonkey - I've often gone home with mates after a night out - and have never had sex with them!, it does happen!! Sometimes it's because they live closer to the bar and you want to crash somewhere...
@famemonkey
"So you honestly think they took someone back to their place in the small hours after partying for innocent reasons? "
Well... yes. Nights out I have known, it would be perfectly normal to go "oh bollocks, the bar's closing, tell you what, there's a few bottles at our place and a couple of sleeping bags, shall we pick up a kebab on the way?"
Quite often followed by someone passing out on the sofa.
Appalling Jan Moir.
Imagine:
How obnoxious would it be if, the day after Jan Moir finally pops her clogs, opinion columnists start pontificating about "the dangerous lifestyle" of eating too much and earning too much money for writing shit articles in tabloids?
Just what I wanted to say but couldnt get the words out. It rattles my cage when people like Jan 'Homophobe' Moir come out with all this shit. Makes me sad to think that people judge you by your sexuality. If a man and woman in a bar met another person and took them back to a hotel room no one would moan. Everyone has needs and desires and to blame a death on a spliff and being gay is a shoddy and embarrassing piece of journalism. Actually its not journalism its trash.
@famemonkey Its contextual - the gutter press maintain a constant outraged prurient speculation about what gay people 'get up to in the bedroom' (errr, probably cuddles, reading, sex and sleeping much like EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD). That makes comments like hers more vile...that and the underlying implication that if they hadn't invited someone back then SG wouldn't be dead.
If a straight couple had done the same thing, she would be moralistic about it but her opinions wouldn't come with the same baggage.
That's what I think, anyway...
@famemonkey Its contextual - the gutter press maintain a constant outraged prurient speculation about what gay people 'get up to in the bedroom' (errr, probably cuddles, reading, sex and sleeping much like EVERYONE ELSE IN THE WORLD). That makes comments like hers more vile...that and the underlying implication that if they hadn't invited someone back then SG wouldn't be dead.
If a straight couple had done the same thing, she would be moralistic about it but her opinions wouldn't come with the same baggage.
That's what I think, anyway...
This is the sort of thing that really should lead to a MASSIVE drop in Daily Mail numbers (oh, but it won't), or a boycott of their advertisers or... please, something that's actually negative.
Because, as it stands, I doubt that this has gone to print without full knowledge of what a nasty little piece of bullying it is.
By publishing these horrid, hateful articles, the Daily Mail is assured a massive press-storm.
Wouldn't it be marvellous if everyone just turned their back on them, like with a naughty puppy and said "No. This is not acceptable. Bad. Think about what you've done."
Have published a post on my own blog that gives details of how to complain to the PCC: http://tinyurl.com/yk97wle
@famemonkey WTF? have you *really* never come back post-pub/club with two friends who happen to be in a relationship with each other to have a few drinks, listen to some music [*], or even have a game of cards, without it turning into a kinky sex session? What aftershave do you use...?
[*] admittedly, even though I'm straight I'd probably still rather have sex with a member of Boyzone than listen to their music.
So what if he took a guy back for sex. So what if he died of drugs and alcohol (even if there seems to be no proof of that). The issue here is that somehow Jan links his death with saying that Civil Partnerships don't work and the idea of happily married gay people is a myth we should never believe in.
Whether you would or not, famemonkey, not everyone would - I certainly wouldn't. Is it out of the question that they'd just go back for a few drinks?
Regardless, you've covered it pretty much spot-on, Anton. There is not a tree in the land tall enough to hang this grave-robbing, contemptuous abortion of a woman from. What really troubles me is that she surely cannot believe that what she wrote is anything other than hurtful, tendentious pish whipped up to make people angry. She wrote that piece KNOWING the reaction it would get, intending that it would get that reaction, before he was even buried. She is, and I've been humming and hawing over the right word, but I fully believe she is a cunt.
fmonkey: I thought that point was that what the three of them may or may not have done that night was as relevant to Gately's death as how their trousers were styled.
Well bloody said!!! Vile disgusting article, hope she feels ashamed. Although, all this hatred the DM will probably promote her now just as they did Liz Jones.
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Thanks so much for this post. Jan Moir's article is reprehensible, although not unexpected from the DM.
@ famemonkey
"So you honestly think they took someone back to their place in the small hours after partying for innocent reasons?
And its nothing to do with being gay, if it was a straight couple and they took someone in for the night I would assume it was for some sexy time."
I think I agree with the sentiment, but I am not sure what "innocent reasons" is supposed to mean in this context. Whether they played canasta or had sex with him (or both) is totally irrelevant, it's a red herring.
Jan Moir writes: "As a gay rights champion, I am sure he would want to set an example to any impressionable young men who may want to emulate what they might see as his glamorous routine.
For once again, under the carapace of glittering, hedonistic celebrity, the ooze of a very different and more dangerous lifestyle has seeped out for all to see."
With that she seems to imply that there is culpability, that he has brought on his death himself (or perhaps the husband, or the Bulgarian guy). That's why I am troubled by "innocent reasons", because that seems to play along with that theme.
Yes, all those people my wife and I have offered a bed for the night. WE FUCKED THEM ALL!
Apart from the ones we didn't.
Which is all of them.
(my verification word was "blacrabl" - I can only imagine this would be more appropriate on a BNP story)
Hmm, at a quick skim I reckon it breaches at least the following press Codes of Practice points:
1) Accuracy
5) Intrusion into grief or shock
12) Discrimination
Complain to the PCC here:
http://www.pcc.org.uk/complaints/form.html
Great piece on a shocking and shockingly bad article.
stephen fry sums it up well:
I gather a repulsive nobody writing in a paper no one of any decency would be seen dead with has written something loathesome and inhumane.
but anyway i have complained to the PCC and i have posted my letter onto my blog so if you want to complain as well then please feel free to use my letter if you agree with its sentiments and if you haven't got time to write your own.
http://sianandcrookedrib.blogspot.com/2009/10/jan-moir-and-stephen-gately.html
Brilliant blog post. Well done.
Three cute young men share a joint and some sex play. One dies later.
I am not prepared to condemn this gentle gay swinging which many gay men do do.
And I am sad Stephen Gately died.
But someone needs to stand up and say that Gay liberation is not all about becoming just like straight people.
Some some of us, being gay means a marriage with someone we love, where the loved develops into friendship, and one soul lives in two bodies.
For many of us, being gay means serial monogamy (as with many straight people)
And for many of us, being gay means a mix of many things, one being that we appreciate and celebrate the sheer joy of sexual pleasure, sometimes taking place in groups, and seeing in that a joy of union and fellowship which is it's own justification.
As for me, I wish I were cuter!
Great article. Glad to see Moir's filth getting the backlash it deserves. The Press Complaints Commission should be informed about this bullshit.
you've just been fryed
(great article by the way and well spotted. Reading the thing makes me feel a bit grubby.)
Absolutely hit the nail on the head with your replies to her
She is a nasty vile piece of crap.
x
Surely the dole office beckons now for Moir .. and hopefully Dacre for allowing it to appear :D
Hi, Could you please ask your readers to make a complaint to the Press Complaints Commission about Jan Moir's vile article? It breaches several of their codes.
FANTASTIC...
Really well put. She will regret this.
People die unexpectedly and it's tragic and there's nothing we can do about it. People buy the Daily Mail, and corporations advertise in it, it's inexplicable and depressing, but surely we can do something about that.
excellent dissection of an insidious, hateful piece of writing (and I use the term 'writing' in the loosest possible sense) that sinks the Daily Mail to a new low.
Lemme get this straight (no pun intended):
Singer and SO are on holiday, pick up someone, go back to the room. Next day, singer is dead.
*shrug*
And what's the ish?
Pardon me for being a clueless Yank, but it doesn't matter how Jay Gately lived. It's a matter of whether he, his SO, and whomever were with 'em were engaged in anything that could make his death a homicide. The minute you Continentals start harping about the fluff like you're Americans, you're gonna lose sight of the facts.
Find out what killed this kid, whether it was simply his genetics or some unfortunate (or possibly caused) issue based on his chemical indulgence of choice. He was gay. OH FUCKING WELL. Get over it.
Now he's a dead gay singer. *shrug* What killed him, is anyone to blame, if not... let his family bury the lad in peace. JEEBUS.
Wonderful writing!
You know, what worries me is how much I am now seeing such spurious guesses repeated in the comments on the DM aricle and elsewhere.
I really hope she tried to make amends somehow.
Jan Moir should get a diet and exercise plan and sort out her hair and make-up. Then she might find some real friends, get some substance and fulfilment in her own life and no longer need to attack other people in this way.
Wonderful post, thank you for expressing what I could not.
We do not have the Daily Mail anywhere near our house - precisely for articles like this - Hang your head in shame! RIP Stephen
Surely, at least an apology is due, at the barest of minimums?
Something similar happened earlier this year in Malaysia. In the summer of 2009, Yasmin Ahmad, a celebrated Malaysian film director perhaps unknown outside of Asia, died of a stroke. Believed by many to be in her prime, there was a national outpouring of grief in Malaysia.
Despite that, a Malaysian daily decided to publish a story about her alleged transexuality on its front page, with language that seemed intent to smear. The public were incensed and after much pressure, the editor of the newspaper mustered what could be called an apology.
I expected poor journalism by tabloids in Malaysia, where the standards of journalism are different and the mainstream media is state controlled. I'd be shocked if no similar apology is made by the Daily Mail to the family of Stephen Gately and those dear to him for the endless insinuations and slander they have been publishing this week.
Why don't you email Jan on her personal email address and tell her
j.moir200@btinternet.com
or at the daily mail
jan.moir@dailymail.co.uk
Daniel Pemberton
Well said, thank you.
There is definitely nothing natural about Jan Moir. I don't think she even has a heart. How wrong is she really?! She is nothing more than a homophobic delinquent. People like that shouldn't be allowed an opinion and shouldn't even be allowed to publish such bullshit. I hope she gets what she deserves. Sour cunt! Sorry to use such a 'derogatory' term. But it's the only word that seems fit to describe her.
Many older people who apparently die of 'natural causes' are married. Thankfully I'm not married. I don't think I ever will now. Phew.
No there is nothing natural about what she has written. Spare a thought for the family and loved ones who have to read or hear about this in their grief for a person who was obviously so well loved and a gentle man. She is indeed a very nasty article.
Thanks for expressing the feelings of a huge number of people so eloquently. The woman is a guttersnipe.
Daily Mail is always contriversal. Newspapers claim Free Speech. I cant get my nickers in a twist asI do not belong to the gay world
The Fail have done a slight edit-job to try and salvage the situation, why not just remove the highly offending piece?
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Thanks for the post Anton. Pretty much sums up the intelligent world's view of such bigotry and obvious attention-seeking.
And if anyone's considering a quiet evening in with famemonkey..bring protection.
Delightful autopsy! I don't believe I have ever read the Daily Mail (apart from today, when I was prompted to read Moir's vitriol). Never again. Hope she dies soon... ;-)
Well said.
Jan Moir obviously thought more people would share her low opinion on civil partnerships and homosexuality, otherwise she wouldn't have even dared to write such a vile article. The Daily Mail makes me very uneasy, printing speculation and fabrication as if pure fact.
It is a disgusting & cowardly article, but quite typical for the Mail. Moir has simply used the speculation around the cause of Gateley's death to attack homosexuality, homosexuals & civil partnerships.
What else do you expect from The Daily Mail? For them, homosexuality is a "practice" & a "lifestyle" and homosexuals are merely its practioners. People like Gateley are gay first, human second. It's a deplorable way to view people, but unfortunately it is how the readers of The Mail think.
Jan Moir is simply peddling the popular prejudice that sells this disgusting tabloid trash on a daily basis.
@Sue, @Sim-O, @tattooed_mummy, @Mary, @john b, @bootlegmarkchapman
"...occasionally I would stay over at the houses of couple-friends of mine after a night out, and never did any sex take place (well, not that included me, anyway!)"
@Sue, @Sim-O, @tattooed_mummy, @Mary, @john b, @bootlegmarkchapman
and similar comments... most of you mentioned going back to a friends house, and on the BBC it said that had met that night, to me knowing someone 6 hours or so does not qualify as a good friend, and I suspect that the majority of people do not go back to their house with their "new friend" as the BBC put it for platonic purposes. Though I don't have any evidence for that, and doubt I will get funding for that study ;)
I suppose I was getting side tracked by the minor issues as I do agree that it is an irrelevant point to Stephen's death. In fact would it be breaking any laws if we sent Jan massive volumes of gay porn showing people not dying afterwards? ;)
Could you all possibly stop with the misogynist 'witch' terminology. I'm pretty sure Jan Moir would have been one of the rabid villagers who set the stake alight to incinerate innocent people, and isn't that where the word 'faggot' came from, cos gay men were burn along with 'witches'. Be careful what you 'witch' for.
HOLY MOTHER OF FUCKWIT-NESS! Who IS this woman, and why on Earth is she allowed to print shit like that? I'm sorry, but I hope Karma takes care of this deplorable woman.
Never heard so much insulting shite in all my life. May a thousand fleas infest her A***h**e........
Good to see this weasily piece of writing kicking up such a fuss, the Daily Mail gets away with too much I feel.
Poor Stephen Gately did not deserve to die so young :(
Great dissection of a truly detestable artice. Being gay myself I find her article unbelievably offensive. We all live our individual lives (no matter how colourful!) and for her to draw such insinuation from this tragic event beggars belief.
Keep up the good work.
Thud
If it was like she said and the other two guys were in the bedroom and Gately was on the couch then yeah, it sounds like sex. But also - who cares. She makes it sound like only gay people do this kind of thing and by doing so it means their partnerships don't mean as much as heterosexual partnerships. Well I know more than one married heterosexual couple who have open marriages but are still committed to each other.
I wonder if he was on the couch because he didn't feel well... Regardless of what he died from it's irresponsible to condemn him for anything until the autopsy is published. It's tabloid quality reporting.
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Excellent article, you voiced many people's opinions nicely there including mine.
The homophobic vile evil nasty cow should suffer. How can people like her get away with writing this stuff and what's more, how can people believe it and lap it up? Total fuckwits.
What an amazingly awful article, I didn't see it but am truly speechless, how do they get away with this... I"m complaining.
One thing that does need to be pointed out- the Bulgarian chap has admitted that the group were "intimate".
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-1220657/Boyzone-new-tattoo-tributes-Stephen-Gately-police-reveal-final-hours.html
I'm sure I'm not the only one who finds it distasteful that a married couple picked up a stranger, had some sexual contact and then one of the couple ends up in bed with said stranger while partner lies dead or dying alone.
Gay or straight, there's something unseemly about being in bed with someone else while your partner is in another room lying dead.
Good post. Linked to this from my piece about the same.
What a loathsome bitch.
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Well done for articulating what so many seem to want to say in response to this absurd woman's poisonous piece of hackery.
To be honest, I'd never heard of this young fellow before his death, but the fact that people might feel the need to put a sanitary spin on someone's sad demise says a lot more about the state of society and our bigotted press, rather than the unfortunate man himself.
It's my first visit to this site but definitely not my last.
I agree with everything here, except, factually... us gays ARE actually more likely than average to use drugs.
Also we've got higher suicide rates.
That said, all power to your keyboard mate.
Whilst I would agree that this is a pretty tawdry piece of journalism, it is not difficult to understand that a given individual might hold such views. What is more troubling is that there views presumably passed the approval of any number of sub-editors and editors before making it into publication. Does that not raise a rather bigger concern than the views of one hack journo?
The PCC website seems to be down at the moment, hopefully because of the thousands of people wanting to express their disgust at this grotesque piece.
Surely the innuendo crap that Moir has written makes it possible for her and the Fail to be sued out of existence?
there's so much i want to say but i fear i might be questioned for threatening this wanker called Jane Moir but all i'm confident enough to write is that my thoughts at this very difficult time go out to Steven Gately's family. i Pray you find peace again. as for Ms Moir, surely you know this is not only offensive but shameful on your part. i wonder if you would feel the same if it was you child in question. your brain needs checking idiot
http://www.pressgazette.co.uk/story.asp?sectioncode=1&storycode=44483&c=1
sadly, she still doesn't get it :-(
Thank you so much for this! Unfortunately this is the kind of crap that I've come to expect from the Daily Mail. I'm just glad to see that most of the commenters disagree with every single word she's said.
Someone as decent and ordinary as Gately dies, yet Jan Moir lives. It's just not fair.
It's really not.
Nicely put.
This post is strikingly similar to a post I made on my own blog today. I hadn't seen yours when I wrote mine, honest!
There really is no other response to this piece of nonsense than incredulity.
Yeah - down with a free press! Down with free speech! Jail anyone who disagrees with the twitterati!
You muppets. Where is the "hate" in that article? Because she's not instantly accepting a sacharine line? We do *not* know the cause of death - all we have are the initial PM results which show acute pulmonary oedema. Yes, that killed him. But we don't know what *caused* the oedema - it doesn't just happen y'know. Could be linked to a pre-existing health problem, could be inhaled vomit, could be down to positional asphyxia, even bloody swine flu - we don't know. But in the circumstances it seems entirely reasonable to suggest an external cause - drink, drugs - may have played a part.
BTW, it's hardly a secret that on average being gay is not good for your health. Mostly lifestyle factors - drink/drugs. I read last week that for an average british male, being gay is almost as bad for your life expectancy as being scottish...
There you go - two hate-crimes for the price of one. Do I get a window seat in the cattle truck?
I'm bouncing of the walls of my flat nutting the doorways chewing the carpet clawing my face and howling howling howling in anger at the nasty vile obnoxious judgemental scurrilous damaging hurtful SHIT this woman and that paper have published.
Apologise now!
excellent post...Jan Moir is clearly a very disturbed twisted person, your dissection of her article helps to highlight the nastiness of her comments.
wake up smell the coffee shes only saying what most people think
Hear, hear !
nice article, well said, but massive Brooker rip off
Everything written in Ms Moir's article is just another reason not to read that rag. Not only should she apologise but so should the editor for printing it in the first place.
The freedom of the press is essential in a democracy but they should report fact and leave speculation and conspiracy theories to the idiots out there who have more time than sense. I think Ms Moir is a dried up old bigot who has a dozen cats and a best friend that needs batteries. Now, I don't know this for a fact but like this article it's just speculation and supposition. I wouldn't wrap my chips in this so called paper.
The logic fail in his death ruining the dream of happy-ever-after astounds me as much as the blatant offensiveness. All marriages end in death or divorce, essentially. How does death make it less happily ever after than divorce? Surely, as an end, death makes it more happily ever after, as they actually stuck to "til death do us part"...?
"Yeah - down with a free press! Down with free speech! Jail anyone who disagrees with the twitterati!"
Holy shit, I didn't realise she'd actually been jailed.
This whole thing is getting way out of hand.
I can confidently say that the number of times I have been to my friends houses and NOT had sex with them outweighs the number of times I have by approximately 500:1.
An assumption that 2+2=5 is therefore, of course, highly likely to be inaccurate.
"Yeah - down with a free press! Down with free speech! Jail anyone who disagrees with the twitterati!
You muppets"
Hello, Kermit. I wasn't aware you were a forensic pathologist.
Noted today that the DM did another 'headline fail':
"Sex-change graduate working as a prostitute strangled before killer set fire to her flat"
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1221080/Woman-dead-burned-flat-sex-worker.html
:roll eyes:
@MelanieM
Anton wrote this piece at 9.38 on 16/10/09. Charlie Brooker published his piece on the Guardian website at 16.54 on 16/10/09.
There well have been a rip-off going on - but not in the direction you're indicating.
Excellent piece, Anton.
"quote" knowing someone 6 hours or so does not qualify as a good friend, and I suspect that the majority of people do not go back to their house with their "new friend" as the BBC put it for platonic purposes. "quote"
Call me what you will, but actually there has been many occasions when people I have met that night have ended up back at mine after a night out for purely "platonic purposes". In fact after a night out for my sister's birthday 7 people I had only met that night stayed over at mine playing SingStar - no sexy times at all!
And anyway - so bloody what! (Didn't know pulmonary oedema was a disease only effecting gay people - you learn something new everyday!)
I did like the bit in her apology where she implied being gay could 'excacerbate underlying medical conditions'.
Out of interest, I just read another article of hers about Fergie where she slates her for her program on Turkish orphanages.
Obviously children being tied up, left to rot in the own excrement and suffer extreme neglect is okay by Moir. What a fucking idiot.
cockneywebel wrote, "I just read another article of hers about Fergie where she slates her for her program on Turkish orphanages."
Feeling oddly sympathetic to Fergie, which is odd.
The Catholic Church seems to have moved on a bit, as the funeral showed. "Daily Mail" decidedly out of step on this one.
Drop Jan a line!
Tell her *exactly* how you feel about her and her nasty little article at:
jan.moir@dailymail.co.uk
Don't hold anything back! :-D
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